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DemonChicken123 said:
I'm honestly sick and tired of romance authors writing romantic stories with such bad faith these days. I'm almost certain that it's intentional that the character with the healthiest relationship with the main character never ends up with them simply because it's a cheap and lazy way to write conflict. I don't know if I can stand yet another romantic subplot with no stakes because the author is so horrifically predictable. It was heart-breaking with Yuigahama in Oregairu because Wataru Watari understood on a fundamental level why it is we yearn for connection, but this author understands not even a fraction of that nuance. It's a love triangle for the sake of having a love triangle, and now it's just silly.

The show is just going through the motions now. There's nothing it can do that another show hasn't done better. We ALL know where this romantic plot with Hina is going to go, and I hate that the animators know exactly how to make me want to care about Hina. And I do. The show looks gorgeous. It's directed well, and Hina is incredibly charming. But when the episode ends I have an overwhelming sense that it's just all for nothing, that of course Chinatsu is going to win and Hina is going to be heartbroken. Because of course. It was obvious from episode one. Now, after watching Hina be a far more caring and considerate companion for so many episodes whilst Chinatsu dithers and leads Taiki on I'm just tired.

EDIT: For the record, I'm anime only, though I can't imagine that anyone exists who thinks Chinatsu is going to 'lose'.

Well yes the love traingle is a bit annoying but this series still has way better writing than most romances that come out these days also it’s a shonen/romance story with a sports subplot so it’s definitely something that you don’t get to see in a lot of romance stories especially when Blue box splits the focus evenly between sports and romance also I’m pretty sure that the misunderstandings will come to an end this szn itself so be patient

Jan 7, 2:23 AM

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idk why this is even a discussion. Did you even look into the title before watching it? It's literally about 2 athletes falling in love through their determination to be better at their sport.

I get that the childhood friend trope is overused and that Hina is a great character and all, but you had to know going into it that this wasn't about Hina, lol.

It's like going into Naruto and then asking why he's on the screen so much.

I'm also a manga reader, so there's a little bit of advantage knowing what's happening way ahead of where the anime is. Chinatsu gets her development, and I know it's hard to see Hina in this spot when Chinatsu has little to no development where the anime is atm.

Jan 7, 2:23 AM

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It's simple, you're delusional if you think Taiki and Hina make a good couple

Jan 7, 2:26 AM

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Zar20 said:
idk why this is even a discussion. Did you even look into the title before watching it? It's literally about 2 athletes falling in love through their determination to be better at their sport.

I get that the childhood friend trope is overused and that Hina is a great character and all, but you had to know going into it that this wasn't about Hina, lol.

It's like going into Naruto and then asking why he's on the screen so much.

I'm also a manga reader, so there's a little bit of advantage knowing what's happening way ahead of where the anime is. Chinatsu gets her development, and I know it's hard to see Hina in this spot when Chinatsu has little to no development where the anime is atm.

i am SOOOO glad someone said this alreafy

Jan 7, 2:27 AM

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It's simple, you're delusional if you think Taiki and Hina make a good couple

finally, someone with common sense

Jan 7, 2:27 AM

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DemonChicken123 said:
I'm honestly sick and tired of romance authors writing romantic stories with such bad faith these days. I'm almost certain that it's intentional that the character with the healthiest relationship with the main character never ends up with them simply because it's a cheap and lazy way to write conflict. I don't know if I can stand yet another romantic subplot with no stakes because the author is so horrifically predictable. It was heart-breaking with Yuigahama in Oregairu because Wataru Watari understood on a fundamental level why it is we yearn for connection, but this author understands not even a fraction of that nuance. It's a love triangle for the sake of having a love triangle, and now it's just silly.

The show is just going through the motions now. There's nothing it can do that another show hasn't done better. We ALL know where this romantic plot with Hina is going to go, and I hate that the animators know exactly how to make me want to care about Hina. And I do. The show looks gorgeous. It's directed well, and Hina is incredibly charming. But when the episode ends I have an overwhelming sense that it's just all for nothing, that of course Chinatsu is going to win and Hina is going to be heartbroken. Because of course. It was obvious from episode one. Now, after watching Hina be a far more caring and considerate companion for so many episodes whilst Chinatsu dithers and leads Taiki on I'm just tired.

EDIT: For the record, I'm anime only, though I can't imagine that anyone exists who thinks Chinatsu is going to 'lose'.

Well yes the love traingle is a bit annoying but this series still has way better writing than most romances that come out these days also it’s a shonen/romance story with a sports subplot so it’s definitely something that you don’t get to see in a lot of romance stories especially when Blue box splits the focus evenly between sports and romance also I’m pretty sure that the misunderstandings will come to an end this szn itself so be patient

I'd have to agree with you. It is definitely a step above most romance, but it's does still use the old annoying tropes. Fortunately, it gets past the love triangle pretty quick, and it's get resolved instead of leading the character on forever till the end.

Jan 7, 3:10 AM

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DemonChicken123 said:
I'm honestly sick and tired of romance authors writing romantic stories with such bad faith these days. I'm almost certain that it's intentional that the character with the healthiest relationship with the main character never ends up with them simply because it's a cheap and lazy way to write conflict. I don't know if I can stand yet another romantic subplot with no stakes because the author is so horrifically predictable. It was heart-breaking with Yuigahama in Oregairu because Wataru Watari understood on a fundamental level why it is we yearn for connection, but this author understands not even a fraction of that nuance. It's a love triangle for the sake of having a love triangle, and now it's just silly.

The show is just going through the motions now. There's nothing it can do that another show hasn't done better. We ALL know where this romantic plot with Hina is going to go, and I hate that the animators know exactly how to make me want to care about Hina. And I do. The show looks gorgeous. It's directed well, and Hina is incredibly charming. But when the episode ends I have an overwhelming sense that it's just all for nothing, that of course Chinatsu is going to win and Hina is going to be heartbroken. Because of course. It was obvious from episode one. Now, after watching Hina be a far more caring and considerate companion for so many episodes whilst Chinatsu dithers and leads Taiki on I'm just tired.

EDIT: For the record, I'm anime only, though I can't imagine that anyone exists who thinks Chinatsu is going to 'lose'.

Well yes the love traingle is a bit annoying but this series still has way better writing than most romances that come out these days also it’s a shonen/romance story with a sports subplot so it’s definitely something that you don’t get to see in a lot of romance stories especially when Blue box splits the focus evenly between sports and romance also I’m pretty sure that the misunderstandings will come to an end this szn itself so be patient

@Uruichi Patient? I don't think you understand what my issue with this show (although not this show specifically) is. I don't care that the characters have misunderstandings lol, I object to the entire romance plot itself. Regardless of if it's competently written, which it is for the most part.

Jan 7, 3:16 AM

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That's why I stopped watching romance and I genuinely hate them because of love traingles. I always root for the other girl/boy who won't get the mc in the end.

I started watching this anime thinking it'd at least be entertaining, trying to be more open. I didn't know it has love triangle and I hate it here.

I drop only when I really can't or something kisses me off (especially unnecessary fan service) and I really cannot wait for this anime to end so I can give it a sold 5/10

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DemonChicken123 said:
@Uruichi Patient? I don't think you understand what my issue with this show (although not this show specifically) is. I don't care that the characters have misunderstandings lol, I object to the entire romance plot itself. Regardless of if it's competently written, which it is for the most part.

I didn’t deny your issue lol did you even read my comment? I acknowledged it and simply provided you information about the other aspects of the show which elevates it compared to other romance shows which continue the misunderstandings for the sake of it whereas this manga has many things going on other than the misunderstanding aspect which will get resolved pretty soon so while it has flaws it’s still better than Komi or any recent romances that we got the previous year other than Bokuyaba which was peak rom-com.

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idk why this is even a discussion. Did you even look into the title before watching it? It's literally about 2 athletes falling in love through their determination to be better at their sport.

I get that the childhood friend trope is overused and that Hina is a great character and all, but you had to know going into it that this wasn't about Hina, lol.

It's like going into Naruto and then asking why he's on the screen so much.

I'm also a manga reader, so there's a little bit of advantage knowing what's happening way ahead of where the anime is. Chinatsu gets her development, and I know it's hard to see Hina in this spot when Chinatsu has little to no development where the anime is atm.

@Zar20 How can you misunderstand my point so badly man 😭 Yes, Chinatsu is obviously the girl who is going to win this romance. THAT'S THE ENTIRE PROBLEM. It's so mind numbingly obvious that it has made this romance subplot with Hina aimless. The romantic tension created is superficial. It has the love triangle simply for the sake of having a love triangle. For contrived drama. Love triangles are only compelling when you can actually be led to believe that each relationship has some level of possibility to it.

I am not criticizing that "Naruto is on screen so much" for crying out loud. I like Chinatsu. I think her relationship with Taiki is compelling. Real people are complicated in the same way that she is. Chinatsu is fine. My PROBLEM is that the show is heavily pushing a romance that WE ALL KNOW will go nowhere. Hina isn't convincing as a romantic rival because the show has already convinced us that nobody except Chinatsu is going to end up winning. You can't just excuse bad or pointless subplots on the premise that "well of course that character isnt the main character why would it matter."

Pointing out that "Chinatsu is on the box" is some of the hardest missing the point I've ever seen on this website man 😭😭 "Oho you shouldn't have ever expected there to be a nuanced romantic plot in the first place!!" wow silly me bro, you got me there. How dare I expect an entire subplot to not be for nothing.

And let's skip over the fact that I was also saying that Blue Box is only an example of a wider problem.

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Jan 7, 3:20 AM

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@Uruichi Patient? I don't think you understand what my issue with this show (although not this show specifically) is. I don't care that the characters have misunderstandings lol, I object to the entire romance plot itself. Regardless of if it's competently written, which it is for the most part.

I didn’t deny your issue lol did you even read my comment? I acknowledged it and simply provided you information about the other aspects of the show which elevates it compared to other romance shows which continue the misunderstandings for the sake of it whereas this manga has many things going on other than the misunderstanding aspect which will get resolved pretty soon so while it has flaws it’s still better than Komi or any recent romances that we got the previous year other than Bokuyaba which was peak rom-com.

@Uruichi You did, because my problem with Blue Box is not that it's even a bad anime because I am still enjoying it, but rather that the SPECIFIC issue of the love triangle bothers me. Pointing out what Blue Box does well is just unnecessary 😭

But uh Blue Box is not better than Komi.Its sports subplot is handled incredibly lazily. Still better than Blue Lock lmao but it's very underwhelming compared to what I expected before the show aired. The characters are definitely not better written or have better chemistry than Komi and Tadano, that's just such a wildly bizarre take to me.

Jan 7, 3:21 AM

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It's simple, you're delusional if you think Taiki and Hina make a good couple

@nathh I'm sorry you have a Makima profile picture image attached to your comment? Whatever that is. Am I supposed to listen to your thoughts on healthy relationships? 😭

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@Zar20 How can you misunderstand my point so badly man 😭 Yes, Chinatsu is obviously the girl who is going to win this romance. THAT'S THE ENTIRE PROBLEM. It's so mind numbingly obvious that it has made this romance subplot with Hina aimless. The romantic tension created is superficial. It has the love triangle simply for the sake of having a love triangle. For contrived drama. Love triangles are only compelling when you can actually be led to believe that each relationship has some level of possibility to it.

I am not criticizing that "Naruto is on screen so much" for crying out loud. I like Chinatsu. I think her relationship with Taiki is compelling. Real people are complicated in the same way that she is. Chinatsu is fine. My PROBLEM is that the show is heavily pushing a romance that WE ALL KNOW will go nowhere. Hina isn't convincing as a romantic rival because the show has already convinced us that nobody except Chinatsu is going to end up winning. You can't just excuse bad or pointless subplots on the premise that "well of course that character isnt the main character why would it matter."

Pointing out that "Chinatsu is on the box" is some of the hardest missing the point I've ever seen on this website man 😭😭 "Oho you shouldn't have ever expected there to be a nuanced romantic plot in the first place!!" wow silly me bro, you got me there. How dare I expect an entire subplot to not be for nothing.

And let's skip over the fact that I was also saying that Blue Box is only an example of a wider problem.

@DemonChicken123

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Love triangles are only compelling when you can actually be led to believe that each relationship has some level of possibility to it.

Amen. Preach brother, as you are the only one who gets it

Jan 7, 3:27 AM

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@Uruichi You did, because my problem with Blue Box is not that it's even a bad anime because I am still enjoying it, but rather that the SPECIFIC issue of the love triangle bothers me. Pointing out what Blue Box does well is just unnecessary 😭

But uh Blue Box is not better than Komi.Its sports subplot is handled incredibly lazily. Still better than Blue Lock lmao but it's very underwhelming compared to what I expected before the show aired. The characters are definitely not better written or have better chemistry than Komi and Tadano, that's just such a wildly bizarre take to me.

Well whatever you think bro to me Komi is just plain bad writing at it’s peak also way too long for a fking sol/romance series lmao

Jan 7, 3:29 AM

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DemonChicken123 said:
I'm honestly sick and tired of romance authors writing romantic stories with such bad faith these days. I'm almost certain that it's intentional that the character with the healthiest relationship with the main character never ends up with them simply because it's a cheap and lazy way to write conflict. I don't know if I can stand yet another romantic subplot with no stakes because the author is so horrifically predictable. It was heart-breaking with Yuigahama in Oregairu because Wataru Watari understood on a fundamental level why it is we yearn for connection, but this author understands not even a fraction of that nuance. It's a love triangle for the sake of having a love triangle, and now it's just silly.

The show is just going through the motions now. There's nothing it can do that another show hasn't done better. We ALL know where this romantic plot with Hina is going to go, and I hate that the animators know exactly how to make me want to care about Hina. And I do. The show looks gorgeous. It's directed well, and Hina is incredibly charming. But when the episode ends I have an overwhelming sense that it's just all for nothing, that of course Chinatsu is going to win and Hina is going to be heartbroken. Because of course. It was obvious from episode one. Now, after watching Hina be a far more caring and considerate companion for so many episodes whilst Chinatsu dithers and leads Taiki on I'm just tired.

EDIT: For the record, I'm anime only, though I can't imagine that anyone exists who thinks Chinatsu is going to 'lose'.

Just read the fragrant flower blooms with dignity if you want good no bs romance

Jan 7, 3:29 AM

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@Uruichi You did, because my problem with Blue Box is not that it's even a bad anime because I am still enjoying it, but rather that the SPECIFIC issue of the love triangle bothers me. Pointing out what Blue Box does well is just unnecessary 😭

But uh Blue Box is not better than Komi.Its sports subplot is handled incredibly lazily. Still better than Blue Lock lmao but it's very underwhelming compared to what I expected before the show aired. The characters are definitely not better written or have better chemistry than Komi and Tadano, that's just such a wildly bizarre take to me.

Well whatever you think bro to me Komi is just plain bad writing at it’s peak also way too long for a fking sol/romance series lmao

@Uruichi You're completely free to think that. But if you think Blue Box is anything more than a moderately well executed but unoriginal romance story then you've missed something. Doesn't matter how many romance anime you watch if you learn nothing from them. But Oregairu is in your top ten so I would expect you to have some understanding of a genuinely compelling relationship.

At the very least Tadano is a far better male romantic interest than many other male protagonists of romance anime. He's supportive but not invasive. He's careful, but not timid. Self-conscious but not to the point of being pathetic. He's caring and always willing to compromise for the person that he likes. He always does his best to listen and understand Komi even when she's being difficult. He doesn't judge her friends. He knows when to step back and let her breathe, and also when to help. I don't know how you can see all of this and think this is a poorly written character.

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@Zar20 How can you misunderstand my point so badly man 😭 Yes, Chinatsu is obviously the girl who is going to win this romance. THAT'S THE ENTIRE PROBLEM. It's so mind numbingly obvious that it has made this romance subplot with Hina aimless. The romantic tension created is superficial. It has the love triangle simply for the sake of having a love triangle. For contrived drama. Love triangles are only compelling when you can actually be led to believe that each relationship has some level of possibility to it.

I am not criticizing that "Naruto is on screen so much" for crying out loud. I like Chinatsu. I think her relationship with Taiki is compelling. Real people are complicated in the same way that she is. Chinatsu is fine. My PROBLEM is that the show is heavily pushing a romance that WE ALL KNOW will go nowhere. Hina isn't convincing as a romantic rival because the show has already convinced us that nobody except Chinatsu is going to end up winning. You can't just excuse bad or pointless subplots on the premise that "well of course that character isnt the main character why would it matter."

Pointing out that "Chinatsu is on the box" is some of the hardest missing the point I've ever seen on this website man 😭😭 "Oho you shouldn't have ever expected there to be a nuanced romantic plot in the first place!!" wow silly me bro, you got me there. How dare I expect an entire subplot to not be for nothing.

And let's skip over the fact that I was also saying that Blue Box is only an example of a wider problem.

@DemonChicken123 Nah you're just salty your girl isn't getting the MC, if the situation was reversed you'd be glazing it instead. Hina stans are the most insufferable people since Rem stans. Also how little do you actually value her if you think her only point is getting rejected by the MC?

Jan 7, 3:35 AM

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@Uruichi You're completely free to think that. But if you think Blue Box is anything more than a moderately well executed but unoriginal romance story then you've missed something. Doesn't matter how many romance anime you watch if you learn nothing from them. But Oregairu is in your top ten so I would expect you to have some understanding of a genuinely compelling relationship.

At the very least Tadano is a far better male romantic interest than many other male protagonists of romance anime. He's supportive but not invasive. He's careful, but not timid. Self-conscious but not to the point of being pathetic. He's caring and always willing to compromise for the person that he likes. He always does his best to listen and understand Komi even when she's being difficult. He doesn't judge her friends. He knows when to step back and let her breathe, and also when to help. I don't know how you can see all of this and think this is a poorly written character.

You’re just putting words in my mouth at this point I’ve never stated that Blue box is doing something out of the box lol but it’s very well executed in how it wants to portray the themes it carries like working towards your goal, admiration etc something which again a lot of romances don’t even put much emphasis on cuz they spend most their time doing pointless fanservice, jokes and misunderstandings as you said which fall flat after a couple of eps as they go nowhere and the narrative that the show has built starts to crumble and the way you mentioned Tadano is exactly how Taiki is as a character he’s a great representation of what it means to be a teenager who’s experiencing love for the first time but also has to work towards his goal cuz to him he’s worthless without that as he admires and respects Chinatsu who also puts a lot of effort into herself and her goal henceforth the reason why he liked her in the first place.

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@DemonChicken123 Nah you're just salty your girl isn't getting the MC, if the situation was reversed you'd be glazing it instead. Hina stans are the most insufferable people since Rem stans. Also how little do you actually value her if you think her only point is getting rejected by the MC?

@nathh Stan.... good lord. This show isnt even in my top 50 on what PLANET would I be "stanning" anyone? Keep your own pathetic watch patterns to yourself thanks.

You are, however, an incredibly profound genius. So you're saying that if the plot I am criticizing for having no point.... is given a point... I would no longer have that criticism?

Truly a miraculous feat of deduction. I don't know how you deciphered that one but well done. I thought nobody could ever understand me.

But seriously. Yes, Hina's entire point in this story is to be rejected. That's exactly what frustrates me with it. You are really gonna kick yourself when you realize that Blue Box is a STORY written by an AUTHOR, and that I am criticizing the choices made by that AUTHOR.

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@nathh Stan.... good lord. This show isnt even in my top 50 on what PLANET would I be "stanning" anyone? Keep your own pathetic watch patterns to yourself thanks.

You are, however, an incredibly profound genius. So you're saying that if the plot I am criticizing for having no point.... is given a point... I would no longer have that criticism?

Truly a miraculous feat of deduction. I don't know how you deciphered that one but well done. I thought nobody could ever understand me.

But seriously. Yes, Hina's entire point in this story is to be rejected. That's exactly what frustrates me with it. You are really gonna kick yourself when you realize that Blue Box is a STORY written by an AUTHOR, and that I am criticizing the choices made by that AUTHOR.

@DemonChicken123 Bro you just said you're anime only so don't pretend like you know the story when you're wrong about every single point

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@Uruichi You're completely free to think that. But if you think Blue Box is anything more than a moderately well executed but unoriginal romance story then you've missed something. Doesn't matter how many romance anime you watch if you learn nothing from them. But Oregairu is in your top ten so I would expect you to have some understanding of a genuinely compelling relationship.

At the very least Tadano is a far better male romantic interest than many other male protagonists of romance anime. He's supportive but not invasive. He's careful, but not timid. Self-conscious but not to the point of being pathetic. He's caring and always willing to compromise for the person that he likes. He always does his best to listen and understand Komi even when she's being difficult. He doesn't judge her friends. He knows when to step back and let her breathe, and also when to help. I don't know how you can see all of this and think this is a poorly written character.

You’re just putting words in my mouth at this point I’ve never stated that Blue box is doing something out of the box lol but it’s very well executed in how it wants to portray the themes it carries like working towards your goal, admiration etc something which again a lot of romances don’t even put much emphasis on cuz they spend most their time doing pointless fanservice, jokes and misunderstandings as you said which fall flat after a couple of eps as they go nowhere and the narrative that the show has built starts to crumble and the way you mentioned Tadano is exactly how Taiki is as a character he’s a great representation of what it means to be a teenager who’s experiencing love for the first time but also has to work towards his goal cuz to him he’s worthless without that as he admires and respects Chinatsu who also puts a lot of effort into herself and her goal henceforth the reason why he liked her in the first place.

@Uruichi I want to clarify that I like Taiki, he's just a normal kid but that's a good thing. But he and Tadano don't have a single point of comparison between them, I can't even comprehend why you'd say that. If the extent of your ability to recognize character is "high school boy" and "nice" then what are we even doing here?

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@DemonChicken123 Nah you're just salty your girl isn't getting the MC, if the situation was reversed you'd be glazing it instead. Hina stans are the most insufferable people since Rem stans. Also how little do you actually value her if you think her only point is getting rejected by the MC?

So if somebody likes the other girl better they became their stan and they're insufferable because they don't love the main girl?

The op is not talking about which girl is better or who should get the mc in the end. They're talking about why is there a love traingle if we know who's going to win. Because it is pointless. Close your eyes and think there's no Hina in this story. It doesn't change much right?

The love triangle is usually in romances for tension as here's none because Taiki is not interested in Hina. We know she's going to confess at some point and she's going to get rejected. So what's the point of the plot anyway?

As the op said and I'm going to quote it "love triangles are only compelling when you can actually be led to believe that each relationship has some level of possibility to it" amd in this anime there's no such thing

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@DemonChicken123 Nah you're just salty your girl isn't getting the MC, if the situation was reversed you'd be glazing it instead. Hina stans are the most insufferable people since Rem stans. Also how little do you actually value her if you think her only point is getting rejected by the MC?

So if somebody likes the other girl better they became their stan and they're insufferable because they don't love the main girl?

The op is not talking about which girl is better or who should get the mc in the end. They're talking about why is there a love traingle if we know who's going to win. Because it is pointless. Close your eyes and think there's no Hina in this story. It doesn't change much right?

The love triangle is usually in romances for tension as here's none because Taiki is not interested in Hina. We know she's going to confess at some point and she's going to get rejected. So what's the point of the plot anyway?

As the op said and I'm going to quote it "love triangles are only compelling when you can actually be led to believe that each relationship has some level of possibility to it" amd in this anime there's no such thing

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Close your eyes and think there's no Hina in this story. It doesn't change much right?

It does, so good job proving the OP wrong. Gotta love anime onlies talking out their ass

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@DemonChicken123 Bro you just said you're anime only so don't pretend like you know the story when you're wrong about every single point

@nathh Okay look I love discussion as much as the next person but if you're going to be this ridiculously slow I need you to stop, please.

The only point I made was about the ANIME. And based off of what has happened in the ANIME I am making these criticisms. These criticisms, no matter what happens later on in the MANGA, will remain relevant as long as it is true that Hina never had a chance with Taiki. This is not a Yuigahama situation, Blue Box has no deeper or different message it's trying to communicate. It's just a story about a girl and a boy falling in love. The sports subplot is flavour. And even if it weren't as I said in my original post there are other anime that do what Blue Box is doing but better.

I even said that I think Hina is written well—I am not objecting to the quality of the writing, only the fact that the author decided to write a character like Hina and introduce a pointless love triangle in the first place, REGARDLESS of whether or not the cliche is executed in a competent fashion.

"Worse than Rem stans" but nothing could ever be worse than a mAnGa rEaDer

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Baranka02 said:
Close your eyes and think there's no Hina in this story. It doesn't change much right?

It does, so good job proving the OP wrong. Gotta love anime onlies talking out their ass

@nathh You've got to be trolling man.... this is the forum post FOR THE ANIME. For the ANIME. The ANIME. This is a discussion about the ANIME. And if a story gets better later on that does not erase the problems it has now.

Removing Hina, as much as I really like her, changes nothing except removing the last few episodes and replacing them with a development Taiki and Chinatsu.

Jan 7, 3:51 AM

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@Uruichi I want to clarify that I like Taiki, he's just a normal kid but that's a good thing. But he and Tadano don't have a single point of comparison between them, I can't even comprehend why you'd say that. If the extent of your ability to recognize character is "high school boy" and "nice" then what are we even doing here?

I’m confident after this comment that you are not understanding my comment or have low reading comprehension cuz you twist my words to fit your own narrative lol this is the last time that I’ll respond to you, I’ve never used the word “nice” in my entire comment or a “normal high school boy” all I’ve said is that Tadano and Taiki have similar characteristics but are entirely different as characters because they are different people and the examples that I used were to define Taiki as a character cuz I do like him that’s all you sound like an elitist who has watched more rom-coms than anyone on planet earth so you have come down from the rom-com land to preach to us mortals about character writing and what constitutes to a good romance story even criticising the author which you’re free to do.

Jan 7, 3:51 AM

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@nathh Okay look I love discussion as much as the next person but if you're going to be this ridiculously slow I need you to stop, please.

The only point I made was about the ANIME. And based off of what has happened in the ANIME I am making these criticisms. These criticisms, no matter what happens later on in the MANGA, will remain relevant as long as it is true that Hina never had a chance with Taiki. This is not a Yuigahama situation, Blue Box has no deeper or different message it's trying to communicate. It's just a story about a girl and a boy falling in love. The sports subplot is flavour. And even if it weren't as I said in my original post there are other anime that do what Blue Box is doing but better.

I even said that I think Hina is written well—I am not objecting to the quality of the writing, only the fact that the author decided to write a character like Hina and introduce a pointless love triangle in the first place, REGARDLESS of whether or not the cliche is executed in a competent fashion.

"Worse than Rem stans" but nothing could ever be worse than a mAnGa rEaDer

@DemonChicken123 "I'm talking about the anime" - proceeds to make sweeping assumptions about the whole story including how it has no message, omegalul.

Jan 7, 3:54 AM

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This romance definetly cannot compete with other modern romances. It came out a decade too late if you ask me. Not only does it have the love triangle with the obvious outcome trope, it has a bunch of other annoying tropes and it always plays them straight without any subversion of expectations. It also doesn't help that the main girl has no personality either.

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@nathh You've got to be trolling man.... this is the forum post FOR THE ANIME. For the ANIME. The ANIME. This is a discussion about the ANIME. And if a story gets better later on that does not erase the problems it has now.

Removing Hina, as much as I really like her, changes nothing except removing the last few episodes and replacing them with a development Taiki and Chinatsu.

@DemonChicken123 Hold on, your whole assumption is that Hina has no chance, but the anime did nothing yet to lead to that conclusion. So are you just criticising the show based on your own delusion?

Jan 7, 3:57 AM

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@DemonChicken123 "I'm talking about the anime" - proceeds to make sweeping assumptions about the whole story including how it has no message, omegalul.

@nathh "These criticisms, no matter what happens later on in the MANGA, will remain relevant as long as it is true that Hina never had a chance with Taiki."

I don't care what other purpose Hina serves later on in the story, her presence in the love triangle is a lazy attempt at conflict with no real stakes. I'm sorry but that's just how it is. Idk man I can't do this I can't take anyone who says omegalul seriously you're clearly a child.

Jan 7, 4:03 AM

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Yosakusan said:
This romance definetly cannot compete with other modern romances. It came out a decade too late if you ask me. Not only does it have the love triangle with the obvious outcome trope, it has a bunch of other annoying tropes and it always plays them straight without any subversion of expectations. It also doesn't help that the main girl has no personality either.

Try Bokuyaba and KaoruHana I’m sure you’ll be surprised

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Baranka02 said:
Close your eyes and think there's no Hina in this story. It doesn't change much right?

It does, so good job proving the OP wrong. Gotta love anime onlies talking out their ass

you're talking about yourself right? Because love triangle here doesn't change anything. She could be just a friend without any romantic feelings for him.

Maybe she's going to do a backflip and Taikis gonna catch feelings, the point is we don't know that because it's not shown in the anime yet. At that point in the anime, she's started to act on her feelings. But to this point the love triangle is still unrelevent and unnecessary.

And I hope to God she's going to do something like that, she's going to make Taiki think which girl is better for him because if she's going to be silent the whole time and he'll be oblivious to her feelings means author put her there so we can feel pity for her and on anilist and mal the manga/anime could have tag "love triangle"

Just because you know what's going to happen in the manga doesn't mean you can be rude and belittle everyone who is not reading

Jan 7, 4:14 AM

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nathh said:

Baranka02 said:
Close your eyes and think there's no Hina in this story. It doesn't change much right?

It does, so good job proving the OP wrong. Gotta love anime onlies talking out their ass

you're talking about yourself right? Because love triangle here doesn't change anything. She could be just a friend without any romantic feelings for him.

Maybe she's going to do a backflip and Taikis gonna catch feelings, the point is we don't know that because it's not shown in the anime yet. At that point in the anime, she's started to act on her feelings. But to this point the love triangle is still unrelevent and unnecessary.

And I hope to God she's going to do something like that, she's going to make Taiki think which girl is better for him because if she's going to be silent the whole time and he'll be oblivious to her feelings means author put her there so we can feel pity for her and on anilist and mal the manga/anime could have tag "love triangle"

Just because you know what's going to happen in the manga doesn't mean you can be rude and belittle everyone who is not reading

Baranka02 said:
And I hope to God she's going to do something like that, she's going to make Taiki think which girl is better for him because if she's going to be silent the whole time and he'll be oblivious to her feelings means author out her there so we can feel pity for her and on anilist and mal the manga/anime could have tag "love triangle"

You're not even caught up with the anime, can't make this shit up

Jan 7, 4:22 AM

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